he's a guy. let me finish. disagree with everything he says. say, you know what, i think he says it loud and too crazy, so what? that's the way wherever you come out on these things. i'm clearly a guy who's a little farther to the left. my kind of whole new thing is we've got to calm down a little bit. paul, whether you're a glenn beck guy, ed schultz, keith olbermann, o'reilly, so what? >> these guys have followings. people don't make distinctions between who's a journalist, blogger, commentator, host on tv. it's basically a guy on television yelling at them and telling them they should be angry. frankly, there are good reasons to be angry. they're not creating the anger. the anger is there. they are simply exploiting what already exists. >> donny, lady gaga has followers. that does not make a person credible enough to lead people. i think you've hit on something. at the end of the day people can't have common debate in this country, intelligent debate in this country without information.